As the
time comes to write my blog, ideas swirl in my mind about what to write
about. One of them was to write a blog on just funny things that happen
from day to day at our office. I
really could write a book on the crazy/funny things that happen inside the
walls of our office.
I
decided against that blog, but I wanted to give you a taste of what that blog
would have looked like.
I had a
gentleman patient who we all loved. He was in his mid-80s and he moved to
Central Florida to move in with his kids.
We got
to see him quite a lot because, basically, I think he liked having something to
do.
One day
he told me that our headrests did not fit his head well and that he was going
to bring his own headrest. I told him to be my guest. This is what he
brought—and this is real life folks; I can’t make this stuff up!
I could go on and on. Maybe I will give you
another funny one next time.
I now
will get to topic at hand.
I have
written about this in the past but it has been a couple of years. And
the reason why I am writing about it again is because it keeps coming
up. Overtreatment…bad treatment from another dentist and what am I suppose
to do with it?
Look, I
am a conservative dentist. I also am a minimalist. I feel like once you cut
into a tooth, you are opening this thing up for the circle of life. You
know the circle…filling, bigger filling, crown, maybe another crown,
extraction, implant. (I am envisioning Rafiki holding up Simba with the
music in the background.)
I think
that the longer you can put off the big stuff, the longer a tooth can go before
putting on a crown and the eventual loss of that tooth.
I use
composite where most people are uncomfortable using it. I get that two
ethical dentists can have two different opinions on what is the
best treatment for a tooth. (Now granted, it just so happens that one
treatment option that someone else thinks is “best for the patient” just
happens to be a THOUSAND DOLLARS more, but I digress.)
I want
to tell you a story about a patient I had.
I am a
leader at my church and every week there is a prayer sheet. People write
on a sheet of paper what their prayer request is and then our leadership
prays for them.
One
particular prayer request was by someone who was having a bunch of teeth issues
and wanted prayers for that. So I reached out to her.
She
told me that she had been getting a lot of dental work done and the dentist
told her she needed a bunch more work done. Then she told me she was a
stay-at-home mom and her husband was presently out of work. She had money for
her dental needs but the work and the costs continued to mount up.
I told her that I could take a look at what was going on in her mouth and at least give her some advice, only if she wanted.
She took me up on the offer. She came in. Here are some of her X-rays that she had sent over.
I told her that I could take a look at what was going on in her mouth and at least give her some advice, only if she wanted.
She took me up on the offer. She came in. Here are some of her X-rays that she had sent over.
I look
at these high quality X-rays and, like you, I can see some small issues going
on here. In the first X-ray, you can see some PAP associated with #19. She was asymptomatic. I could see where they
would want to do a RCT.
I see a
little decay on the distal of #12. I see a bit of decay on the distal of #13 where it looked like the enamel was nicked. I see something started on the mesial of #15. I see
an E2 on the mesial of #18, probably caused by the bur during the prep of #19.
(At this point, I probably would not do #18 but would do #12).
And, I am guessing that her dentist decided to the RCT first and talked to her about this. And I also am guessing that the cost of a RCT got her scared. So she went to the dentist on her insurance plan so she could save some money.
This is where things started to go
wrong for her.
This is
the kind of @#$% I see coming out of the corporate offices down here in Central
Florida.
You see here that another dentist has taken over and did the RCT (you can tell
by the quality of the x-ray). But do you see what else he/she
did?
Yeah,
they did!!! They took out the best dentistry she had in her mouth. The
crown that was PER-FECT was taken out in order to do a RCT. Now I don’t
know what you do, but what I know is that in order to do a RCT, the endodontist
or general dentist puts a small hole in the crown and does a RCT and then the
general dentist does an access filling.
$950 for the RCT + $200 for the access filling, and done.
Well, not at this office. The dentist took off the perfect crown to do the RCT and, after the RCT, he/she put on this brand new piece of poop on her tooth.
And, if you look at the pre-op X-ray, you will see the decay on the mesial of #18. Now, at my office, if I am taking off a crown and I see decay on the mesial or distal of an adjacent tooth, I take out the decay and restore it right then. This way you don’t have to do a two-surface filling that blows out the marginal ridge.
Well, not at this place.
This dentist decided to wait and then do a MO amalgam. But
it looked like the decided to shoot this amalgam in with a shotgun.
I am not bashing corporate dentistry or corporate dentists
or insurance practices or insurance dentists and I don’t mean to paint them
with one brush. But, around here, I continue to see the same thing.
So for me, if it quacks like a duck, smells like a duck, poops like a duck…it
usually is a duck.
Here is the thing: I would go to the place where my insurance covered more, too. But I would expect the same care. I would expect the same ability from the dentist. But, in this case, it didn’t happen.
Here is the thing: I would go to the place where my insurance covered more, too. But I would expect the same care. I would expect the same ability from the dentist. But, in this case, it didn’t happen.
They are all responsible for producing a product that is
going to last—a product that is ethical, a product that is fair in cost. This
is not happening.
To me, there is a lot of blame to go around. I blame the
insurance, I blame the dentist, and I blame the corporations.
The corporations should be responsible for educating their
young dentists. Insurance companies should monitor what is going on with their
providers (heck, the insurance company is paying more out doing it this way).
And dentists should want to stop overtreating for the sake of making more
money.
I know, I know, I know... I am not suppose to bad mouth
other dentists in front of the patient, but at this point it is getting REALLY
hard not to.
I tried to remain calm and stick with the facts. Let’s get some better X-rays and see what is going on now. Let’s forget about the past.
Here is one of the X-rays I took:
I tried to remain calm and stick with the facts. Let’s get some better X-rays and see what is going on now. Let’s forget about the past.
Here is one of the X-rays I took:
Well,
you have three spots of decay. They are large, but I think we could get
away with doing big fillings.
We won’t be doing any RCTs, we won’t be doing any crowns (which, of course, her corporate dentist told her she needed). The total cost of my treatment was about $1000.
So, we did it. Here is the X-ray:
We won’t be doing any RCTs, we won’t be doing any crowns (which, of course, her corporate dentist told her she needed). The total cost of my treatment was about $1000.
So, we did it. Here is the X-ray:
Restorations came
out great. She had no pain. Her teeth looked awesome. She was
thrilled.
Oh, you see I went ahead and smoothed out the shrapnel on the mesial of #18, which I didn’t think was healthy.
How is going to her insurance dentist saving her money? What am I suppose to do with this?
Oh, you see I went ahead and smoothed out the shrapnel on the mesial of #18, which I didn’t think was healthy.
How is going to her insurance dentist saving her money? What am I suppose to do with this?
What
the laws here in Florida say is “sit down and shut up”: A dentist is not
allowed to blow the whistle on another dentist. I think this is fair but
again, what am I suppose to do with this?
Am I supposed to tell the patient to blow the whistle? The problem is that she really doesn’t have a case. This dentist could probably defend this treatment. Not being that great of a dentist is not a crime.
And, I know, I don’t know all of the facts and I am not or was not in this dentist’s shoes when he/she was doing this. But this is smelling so much like a duck to me.
This is your profession that this dentist is pooping on. What do you think? Am I being too hard on this person? Does this make your blood boil, too?
Am I supposed to tell the patient to blow the whistle? The problem is that she really doesn’t have a case. This dentist could probably defend this treatment. Not being that great of a dentist is not a crime.
And, I know, I don’t know all of the facts and I am not or was not in this dentist’s shoes when he/she was doing this. But this is smelling so much like a duck to me.
This is your profession that this dentist is pooping on. What do you think? Am I being too hard on this person? Does this make your blood boil, too?
John Gammichia, DMD, FAGD
Hello Doc....
ReplyDeleteI have read almost all of your blog entries and it is clear you are an honest, caring kinda Dentist.
In this particular case....I agree with some but not all of your comments. But, you know if you ask 2 Dentists a question, you'll get 4 answers.
BUT your blog is about " whistleblowing ". That is where you and I are on different planets.
You are a religious man....so I will quote you....." Let he who is without sin cast the first stone ".
You practice in Florida...I don't but I am licensed there and I pray the Lord will let me move there and continue working. My office was in downtown Manhattan from 1988 until last year.
I had to go up against the Fla board once many years ago. I am sure the experience shaved a couple of years from my life expectancy.
So....right as you may be....don't do it....don't put anyone into the meat grinder that is ANY state board but ESPECIALLY
Florida.
Put your blinders on and do the good work you do. At the MOST...why not invite the Doc in question to lunch and DISCUSS what you found....like a PRIVATE
peer review issue.
You may be surprised at the result. Believe it or not...I truly believe MOST Dentists do what they know is necessary...
any profession has some bad apples. But think about how YOU would feel/act/respond to being the victim of a " whistleblower "
John, we see plenty of this here in Texas too. What's the time frame on those xrays? Her decay seemed to have progressed really rapidly. Just curious.
ReplyDeleteI like your posts but in this case I disagree. Why blame the corporations. Just blame the dentist. Nobody was holding the handpiece for him.
ReplyDeleteUltimately it is the dentist practicing under his/her own licence. No matter how much corporate asks you to "produce" do not do it unethically. No matter what the production of the day is, at the end of the day it should be 100% ethical. That should be the mantra.
I wish all dentists practiced that way, so patients would not have to go "second opinion shopping".
The most common of which is "do you think I need a deep cleaning ?" .
Thank for sharing information about whistle blowing.
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I am not a dentist, but I have been in the dental field for the last 25 years both as a chair side assistant and practice administrator. Does it have to be a dentist whistle blowing? I currently work for a dentist in Georgia that has been practicing dentistry for the last 30 years. 90% of her dentistry is below standard of care. Patients report with fillings constantly coming out because she does not etch or isolate the field, she packs composite with blood and saliva contamination present. She breaks adjacent teeth because she only uses a periosteal to elevate and extract, she believes single rooted teeth can support 4 to 6 unit bridges while crossing the canine. I could go on and on about what I witness chair side. I am truly disheartened standing beside this woman chair side and truly feel bad for the patients in her care. She is a great person which is why patients return but I am not sure she should be practicing anymore. Any advice would help...
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